what never ceases to amaze me is how folks can pit competition against others (be it bowhunter against bowhunter, competing with pics, whatever, is that truely why you hunt?)...guess it comes from being good at what you do and others jealous they aint doing it! I dont like the chuckie syndrom, but I sure do respect that man for what he has done! Never met either of them, really dont plan on it...maybe somedays. Just keep in mind, they were there shorts like the rest of us <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>!