Jordan makes me PUKE! Chuck and Greg Miller types I can almost stand! Did you see the Pic of Bill Jordan and little Jordan, and in the background is Fred Bear? What the --- has Jordan done for this sport except make money from us for himself and his "chosen few" (and little J),......and turn the sport into a commercial market!!! By taunting us with his videos and "canned" hunts he has turned it into an outfitters paradise. Him and others are considerably responsible for the way hunting has become. I know for a fact that animals are "hand picked" and "saved" for him by outfitters because a friend saw it first hand up in Canada 2 years ago!! My buddy was there the week before Jordan, and the story leaked out that Jordan was coming up the next week, and they had a trophy 170 class waiting for him and wouldn't allow others into that "area"!! Obviously the outfitters get HUGE advertisement for this,...so its hard to blame them! I guess Chuck at least does his own leg work. But I still believe that he has to have some "inside information" and help to get into so many world class animals. I would think that there are plenty of guys on this MB that could do what many of these Foulkrod/Miller type folks do. You need Money/connections/time/desire/access to several midwestern state hunting areas. Give those things to some folks on this MB and they would enjoy great success also!! Its become way to comercialized these days for me. It wasn't that way during the Fred/Aldo/Pope/Young days! Those are the guys I respect!! Have you guys read Millers book on "Rub Line Secrets"? I have NEVER read a book, and 1/2 way thru it say to myself "IS THIS GUY SAYING ANYTHING HERE" and then still feel that way when I get to the end of the book!! Just my opinion and maybe because of poor buck to doe ratio's its hard for me to relate to "rub line secrets".