Keep in minds Glew, that there are many areas with owdd below 10 dpsm, if regeneration is still failing after roughly 7 years of HR, we must ask ourselves how much lower will these numbers have to go in order to achieve regeneration? Which leads us to the next question...Is it worth driving the deer herd dangerously close to the point of eradication for the sake of biodiversity? In all seriousness, if there was one deer left, affecting regeneration on a survey plot, would killling that last remaining deer be justified? The current political climtate in PA has doen a stellar job of painting deer as a varmint, or worse yet, an invasive species in the eyes of the public, thanks to eco extremist gropups like Audubon. What if even temporary eradication proved to be insufficient? i think there are is a certain pont where you have to take a step back and realize that the foundation of the DMP was laid based on predictions which have failed to happen. Alt and others predicted improved herd health, a shorter breeding window, "more and bigger bucks" than ever before, and that sharp reduction would achieve sufficient regeneration. Nearly a decade into the plan, NONE of those predictions have been realized. Granted there seem to be some issues uncovered in the audit concerning lacking of data in these fields, but you have to belive that if they had the data supporting or vindicating the plans effectiveness they would have been shouting it from the rooftops by now. All the audit has shown is that from a scientific standpoint, it apears to be sound. Not that it is accomplishing its goals.