Have two friends that have the small climbers, I must admit for someone who likes to carry in and out everytime, they are nice. Lite and pack down fairly easy. Just too much money for me, I hunt from ground blinds, stalk and have several lock ons. And when I do use a climber, the API bowhunter I've had for about 5 years now has done just fine! Have no reason to change. But again, not saying anything bad about the LW climbers besides the price. Just my two cents