There is a bunch of votes for the ballistic tips from Winchester. I shot them in my 7mm Rem Mag when I first bought it. Three hunting trips, three deer shot. The first was a doe. Shot her at 20 yards. Went through the lungs and hit the right shoulder and bounced back up and went through the top of the back. Hard to believe I know but it did. Ran off no blood trail but I saw her fall about a 100 yards away. Second deer was a doe...shot her in the neck at 100 yards. She dropped. 10 secs later she jumps up with a hole in her neck and runs off like she wasn't hit. Never found her. Third was a nice buck that I also shot in the lungs that ran off and did not drop any blood and we searched for days. Never found him. This was 10 years ago and I haven't touched them since. Have they redesigned these bullets?