we are talking about adding a handle to the forearm. the limbsaver acts like a stealth grip not as a noise gadget. by the way isint the parker buckbuster a budget beginner parker crossbow?? i got my lady a pink parker stinger which i believe is the same crossbow just different color. its not all that quiet and is good for a beginner but is nowhere near the quality of the excalibur. . cable guide pops out the sides on the parker and has too much trigger creep . no comparison to the trigger on the excalibur.