Doug I'll have to get you down to my cut by camp.Once the sun got in blueberry,oak,maple,and various wildflowers grew like crazy.A mere 25 yards away in the canopy...ferns.The area I cut was also ferns before I opened the canopy.Your're welcome to come over any time.I can also show you great oak regen in the open.If the soil is decent,there's oak in the area and the canopy is opened the oak will regen.I saw it in the 80's with very high deer pops in Perry county and I'm seeing it now.