Originally Posted by cayugad

Well I grouse hunt with one. By the way the barrel is worth that at least. I'd hop on that deal so fast that it would shock you. The New Englander 12 gauge is easy to shoot. They claim that Winchester Wind chokes fit the barrel. The problem is my Winchester is a 20 gauge for upland birds. There is a choke on the NE. You can screw it out. Sometimes, especially when loading plastic shot cups you have to, to get the shot cup in the barrel.

I dump 80 grains of powder and then a 12 gauge shot cup, an equal measure of shot from a second cup, then an over the shot card. This is my grouse load, but it seems to have A LOT of power.

You can also buy the wads. Then you dump the powder, put an over the powder card on the powder charge, then a fiber wad, dump your shot on all of that, and then an over the shot card.

My NE is good out to 25 yards. I try not to do shots further then that. Now without my bird dog, it could be a different story. Might just have to get another dog...