Ok...I'm convinced. I just can't see paying for the Noslers or the Swift A-Frame as I had originally planned. After reading several reports that the Swift performed better than the Noslers on large game in center fire calibers, I was leaning to the Swift .45 cal handgun round but it appears the Gold Dot and the Swift are very similar. (If I'm wrong someone please correct me). Now if I can just find the 300gr Gold Dot locally. I hate paying shipping. Although I'm sure I will have to order the Harvester sabots online.