Originally Posted by
bigcountry
I think you have completely missed the point. They had good solid data, and now they refuse to show it or share it to push speer bullets.
It's been awhile since I've seen anything but Speer bullets associated to any kind of data coming from Alliant, with just a few scattered exceptions. Sure, it's sort of annoying, especially when you compare data from other powder manufacturers like Hodgdon, who lists just bullet weights and matches them to various Hodgdon propellants.
I'm surprised that this would be an issue for you, though. You don't at all strike me as a guy who'd depend at all on anyone else's research for anything but a starting point?
I have three manuals here handy (Speer 11 and 14, and Hodgdon 26). With a 165 gr SPBT backed by 54.0 of IMR4350 (min), Speer 11 says 2658 fps, Speer 14 says 2476 fps, and Hodgdon 26 says 2634 fps. With 56.5 gr (which performs the best out of my rifle), my chrono says 2782 fps. The only load that matters to me is the last one, which isn't found in any of the three manuals.
Who cares if Alliant's pushing Speer while you're wanting to shoot someone else's bullet? Find a Speer in what data Alliant does provide with a weight identical and BC close to what you want to shoot, start from the low end with the Alliant powder you want to use, and work up to something that shoots well and doesn't send you signals of excess pressure. Or, Speer 14's loaded with Alliant propellants and "like" Speer projectiles to what I shoot (generally Hornadys) - close enough in any case that I could come up with a safe starting load to work up from.
Maybe I did miss the point as you intended. Okay, Alliant's old data is gone. You took your case to them. Maybe they're schmucks, but would that alone stop you from using their propellant?