i was going to start a new thread on this but i' ll just add on to this to ttt , the united bowhunter of pa have a petition going around at local archery shops (at least at mine ) about this orange thing ,full time orange i don' t think its a good idea for bowhunter imo if they want us to wear it to and from our stands that one thing but on stand the deer will stand out of bow range and laugh at us for sure! any way make sure all pa hunters besides yourself sign this petition ,we havve to draw the line some where!!!