I havent seen this buck since late archery. Lets just say he didn't get this big by giving me great shots at him. Just when you think he's gonna make a mistake for no reason other than instinct he turns and just leaves. He looks to be in pretty good shape for just going thru rut, My best guess w/ trail cam pics i have is that this buck is 4-1/2. Not the biggest rack around but this is my quest its him or tag soup in 2010