Well, I decided to pass on it. I really don't like musket caps or #11 caps for that matter and I told myself that my next muzzle loader would be stainless steel so I wouldn't have to worry about rust. I also told myself it would use 209 primers as after using a gun that takes them I love them. I saw a Knight Disk with a stainless barrel and camo stock for $125 with a Bushnell banner scope and another one for $225 with a thumbhole stock and a Burris scope. Seems like looking at these prices the Knights just don't seem to be very expensive. I realized since it's not exactly what I want I don't really need it even if it is so cheap.