That's good to know,i will work up a load for my triumph and wifes wolverine.don't want to buy 2 different weight bullets if i don't have to..can use the barnes when i go to the condor/vulture zone for the hogs..i am very impressed with the pictures of recovered bullets on this forum..also some of the guys who shoot the barnes here in california have had expansion problems similar to SW bullets at close range.the gold dots appear to have great expansion on both shorter and longer shots.my deer hunting zones do not require copper bullets.so the dots sound like the ticket..cheap enough to plink with and plow some yotes this spring..