Sabotloader, waaayyyy back then (Oct '08) I never even considered a 180 grain XTP as a possible deer bullet. I was shooting "proper" 300 grainers out of the Mustang and 410 grain Hornady Great Plains out of the New Englander for deer. Those were my "go to" hunting guns. Everything else was for playing. Didn't even use those dinky 240 grain XTPs the other guys in my group were using. I've since learned a lot from you guys on this forum and have become more open minded (senile?) in my old age.