Well, at 20 yards they didnt shoot for chit with 80gr JSG 2f. Horrible groups. I went inside and dropped the charge down to 60gr JSG 2f and bingo!! After some adjustments to the sights, i had a 3 shot cluster that was very good. Tomorrow i will try 80gr 2f APP and see how that does. I dont have much shooting practice with JSG yet.