Hey Arthur.... let me stir the pot. If you don' t shoot.... you ain' t going to hit him. If you don' t hit him.... you ain' t going to get him.[>:] OK... how about a little more pot stirring. In some circles the buggers are vermin. If you think you can do it...... Just do it. IF you don' t want to... well start a thread on hunting ethics.(OH Arthur.... that was a nice touch wasn' t it... that last sentence)

Anyway, some people place them on a Godly pedistal and insist on instant death and only guaranteed shots. No such thing..... so Arthur and I just take the shot when it feels good. OPs, I' m speaking out of turn... I don' t have Arthurs permission to say such things. Sure I don' t like to have a bad result from a shot.... it means more work and possibly a lost 100 pounds of meat and a broken $10 arrow. I have my own restrictions and they' ve served me well. Practice makes ALMOST perfect.... the rest is luck.

What you think Arthur.... will that start it off?

Incidently... ethics are people specific. Mine are different than yours. What' s ethical for me isn' t always necessarily ethical for you. That' s the trouble... people interchange ETHICAL as a politically correct way of saying push the envelope. Well I want a big envelope. I know people that have a bigger one than me. Ethics is NOT the law.... it' s a personnal standard. Don' t try to force yours on me or I' ll fight you everytime. That' s why I hate ethical standard debates on the internet or for that matter in the classroom. It' s got nothing to do with the law. It' s a matter of standards, upbringing, goals etc. I' m hear to say the guy that cheats on his wife is far more a rascal than the guy who shoots a deer in the butt because he took a risky shot. But hey, that' s me. I wouldn' t cheat on my wife with the classiest hollywood dollywood gal. Yet, there are womanizers out there that will tell me it' s UNETHICAL to shoot beyond 20 yards or at a walking deer. Give me a break.