Guys I dont know what else to tell you. I have been studying breeding ecology and behavior of bucks for the last 10 years aswell as hunting a herd that has a natural breeding ecology and a perfect buck to doe ratio and our inmature bucks wear them themselves to darn near exhaustion searching, chasing and fighting all rut long. Heck in most instances when we see chasing it is usually from 1.5 year old bucks with our mature bucks no where to be found. I dont know what else say or what other pics of inmature bucks fighting or with broken racks but here is more pics of the smallest buck we have on our property fighting for over 22 minutes non stop!! The only other thing I can add is dont always believe what you read in hunting mags or at seminars etc. It wasnt too long along that the so called deer experts were claiming things like spikes will always be spikes, The moon phase affects the rut, that a doe couldnt give birth to 2 or more fawns that were sired by different bucks, that mineral supplements aid in growing larger antlers, that bucks ""RUBBED"" their velvet off, that you could have a buck to doe ratio of 1:10 and even 1:30. etc. etc. etc. Pike