"OK MS you've given me a lot to think about and a lot to answer. It's out of respect for guys like you and Germain, Pike and a few others on here that I dont just dismiss what you've posted."
And its out of respect for Doug, Jim and a few others that I dont just dismiss what you post.
" On the other hand, I'll ask you to put yourself in the shoes of guys like me just as I'm trying to do for you. I have no affiliation with the timber industry, PGC, audubon or anyone else like that. I'm just a hunter like you. Believe me when I say that virtually all the places I've seen far less deer are the places that really needed it. "
Therein lies one of the problems. Who said it was really needed there? Let me guess, Pgc said so? Thats nothing more than your willingness to believe that which many of us do not.
" Anything like using numbers and stats out of context to make 2 plus 2 equal 5."
You are the only one Ive seen TRY do that on this board, unsuccessfully since some of us actually are familiar with whats going on and catch any attempts at deceit and manipulating data. Seen one other try it at times, but wont draw him in, as he hasnt been around to defend.
Otherwise the data is so simple when shown, it actually speaks for itself.
" Like fixing polls "
Gee at least you are honest in this case about yourself fixing polls, if i were you Id want people to forget about that. That wasnt a high point for you on this board. Then again neither was you getting caught voting multiple times with multiple ids. Funny thing, none of those polls came out the way you wanted even with your "extra efforts". If you are gonna try and pin that on ME as you did previously because it was me that busted you, save your breath. My word is golden and My integrity flawless, and every single member thats been here longer than a day knows it. I may be alot of things, but I absolutely HATE a liar & a cheat, nothing lower....and my character is absolutely untouchable to someone of your calibre. And thats a fact.
"Like a guy who lives in a very high density WMU crying the loudest about no deer and then screaming liar when someoen tells of having consistent success in that region."
1st its not a "high density wmu". I know of none in Pa that are. Perhaps some localized areas within wmus...but i wouldnt know. As for high density wmus, I know some that were, but theyve declined greatly and are continuing to (guess we should all just shut up and support it like you who hunt a lease and buy your buck). As for anyone inappropriately calling you a liar. Never happened. Ever. I said you lied only when you lied. And that has been VERY often. Including the instance of the story you are speaking of. You told it more ways than i can count, couldnt even remember the lies as you told them. You are also lying in the fact the one year success is not "consistently" lmao. In fact if you wanna get technical you can add your last statement to that tally of mistruths.
"I also adamantly believe that the strangling of the PGC purse strings by some hunters is the biggest mistake of all."
No, lets not prevent a fee increase, lets pay them triple to slit our throats says the man who hunts the whole season elsewhere. lmao.
"We wont always agree but I'll always at least listen. "
How about when you "listen" you dont use your delusional attacks and try unsuccessfully to lie and throw everyone else under the bus. I made no comments and have treated you with far more respect than you deserve, yet that didnt stop you from your completely unwarranted emotional outbursts. Same ol' same ol. 
...>BTW, Only "clout" we have is that fee increase not being granted, and only way we will EVER be listened to. Words to live by in Pennsylvania. NO DEER = NO MONEY.
Increases in our hunting fees shouldnt be a decision for the tiny minority of pgc yes-men + audubon types to make.