BJ is exactly right, I' ve said the same thing for years. You want the bigger bulls, then bugle big. Everyone' s got it backwards when they say you' ll scare them off if you' re to big. Get within that 80 yd zone and let him have it, if you start your challenge 250yds away and come at him screaming, you' ve given the bull to much of a cushion and if he wants he can pull up stakes and avoid a confrontation, but within that 80yds or so, he feels if he wants to keep what' s his he' ll have to defend against this overzealous intruder. Make sure when in that zone you cut the bull off in the middle of his screaming and that' s usually more than he can take. elknut1