BTW, it is not out of desperation. It is just how my forefathers have done it, so we carry on the tradition out of respect. Usually on opening morning we kill 8 deer. Then do a drive, and kill maybe 4 more. Then sit again, kill probably 6 more. Dress our deer, and do it all again the next day. We end up with probably 25 deer. We don't need the deer, we aren't desperate. We do it because of the fun, and it is tradition. I would take beef over deer any day!