Id agree bp. Not sure if the deer herd in the area I hunt are lower or same this season. Do know the shooting is way down, though it has been the last couple of years, even though there have been tons of guys out. Whether the herd is same or lower Doesnt really matter imho, because for the last few years its been lower than it shouldve been anyway. several years of 55-60,000 doe tags kinda has that effect.