I say I have killed over 30 deer maybe more with a 12ga slugs. Killed 30 deer or so with rifles from 243's to 300RUM's, to 45-70. Anyone that has every looked close at the terminal effects comparing "most rifles" to a slug will clearly recongize the hydrostatic tissue damage a rifle can do. A slug does not. You can almost eat up to the exit hole of a slug. The statement you made about almost hitting anywhere, still has me laughing. I appreciate it.