I shoot a stealth force and a new stealth force vx and am also now sponsered by alpine fo rthe company i pro staff with! i love them and have been shooting them even before i pro staffed very quiet and a dream to shoot! my stealth force at 31 inches 67 pounds with a 365 grain carbon shoots 270fps all day long ! I CANT SAY ENOUGH FOR THEM! JUST BE LOOKING FOR my BEAR HUNT ON Away outdoors