".....the white hots get the same velocity and the same crud ring and come from the same company as 777."
I have used the White Hots with the CCI shotgun primers and do not get the crud ring in my Encore. I haven't tried the CCI's with the 777 yet, but plan on doing so. I'll use the 777 if the crud ring is not bad. I'm using 2 pellets with the TC 240 grain Mag Express and getting accuracy good enough to kill a couple of does at 130 and 137 yards. This year I have killed 6 deer with this combination, all but 1 were bang flops, the other went about 100 yards before expiring. I like the powder, the primer, and the bullets performance.