What are you guys talking about? Of course you NEED a rangefinder with ARC because the TV says you do! What will you do without it. I was actually looking at getting a rangefinder but I was going to just go with the $200 Leupold or something in that range or even lower. I mostly archery hunt or rifle hunt in very thick timber. I don't need something that goes out to 1000 yards and compensates for angles. I took enough math in college I should put it to use.