Guess I'm just a loner.Never thought about jumping on the "new improved ship".The old Noslers do just fine,I keep my personel effective range down to short distance so I don't have the need for NBT's.I have some OLD 25 cal Noslers in 115 gr that have machine marks that have worked on a speed goat and a few yotes out the other side of 400 so I shoot them spareingly.Now have to buy 117gr.!