thanks guys, gun season starts tomorrow and as usual i saw one of the biggest bucks of the year today. solid 170's for sure mybe better, has a ton of mass.saw him with a doe today in the bottoms by my house, convinced me to run to town and get another archery permit! I plan to shoot the first 2 does i see this weekend and then hang the gun up for the year. I'd much rather shoot a buck with my bow. don't get me wrong though, if i see a real gagger the ole smoke pole will bark