hey im not trying to offend cva hunters but i have had a few that just wernt up to snuff and so have my hunting buddies my omega or my best friends black diamond have never let us down and they feel better in the hands not least to say american made. thanks for the ideas im thinking of purchasing one of my friends old black diaamond carbines or taking a z5 omega to the gun smith and getting it chopped and recrowned. im still not sure but thanks for the help