i shot him on public ground that gets hunted quite a bit as well. I have to boat into this spot, got there and got in the tree and had a doe and fawn come under me in the first 2 minutes, i could barely seee them, then this guy came in with a doe, she was under me before i ever saw her, i saw him at about 30 yards and got the shot at 20 or so, he only went about 50 yardsd and piled up. my tree is only about 15 yards off the waters edge