Oh I'll probably keep paying the price for the Branes. But really, the point of my post was the fact that these 2 different bullets basically shot the same on a clean barrel but the barnes showed more consistantancy (SP?) without swabing between shots. I'm not saying I wouldn't shoot a deer with a Gold Dot seeing they shoot so well in my cheap ole $100 Wolf. I also found some Noslers Partitions that I forgot I had. I just have to get out and shoot more.