I agree with mustad on the grouse and the like. A good conditioned pointing dog will keep with the bird until the bird holds up.. I do disagree with some of the remarks about a good conditioned dog however. I have seen from my own experience that a conditioned dog will still do thing that are unexpected. One of mine in fact did. He went from a good pointing dog to a good pointing dog as well as catcher. I had to break him of his catching issues and that was very hard to do. The first time he flushed great and then the next thing you know.. He was catching some birds on his own. That is something I truely disliked and had to break him of it.He caught 4 birds the first year of this so called flushing.. He caught 1 the next year and I still have to keep a watchfull eye on him. So IMO it is far from worth the bother but others have had some success with it..