lately our grouse and pheasants that are left have learned a new trick.they dont stay put while pointing dog is on point.they sneak off and then fly like 50 yds away from point.its funny, i was thinking of english setter because i thought pointing dog was easier to get grouse or pheasant, it was but now THEY RUN THEN FLY.

toby my lab puts grouse/pheasants up into air within about 20 yds of me because he is FLUSHER BEFORE THEY START TO RUN.those wise old birds are learning how to survive.problem is i have to have my shotgun ready at all times and flush scares the h out of you at times.MY ARMS GET TIRED HOLDING GUN UP IN READY POSITION as flush is quick and exciting,for sure.

just some things to think about