Well I get to start next month, the only problem is it will be a solid month of does only and the only area that is legal to hunt then for me also holds a huge 3 1/2-4 1/2 year old 8 (may be 10 this year) point also, I know darn well I will probably have him within 10 yards a few times when it is doe only, hopefully I will be able to get his pattern down pat when Oct. rolls around and I can stick him!