i got 1 finally with the bow, no longer a virgin with the bow. It was about 19yard shot at a 2 year old doe i think.. It wasnt a big doe, 115pounds but i just wanted to put a deer down with the bow for the first time . Doe ran about 30yards and dropped, double lung shot but missed the heart. About 5min after 4 more does came in bow range and then a coyote.. I went 2 years with out anything and boom i saw everthing.. I was afraid that the coyote was going to get my down doe, it was only about 15yards rt. of my deer. The coyote saw me in my stand about 40 yards and spooked. This was friday afternoon about 160hrs. just beforestorm rolled in. The woods were alive with animals eating beforethe storm. thank you for all the advice and help some have gave ,thank you((( up top i meant 1650hrs))))