Our shots won't be any longer than 100 yards with most being 50 or less hunting the woods, and swamps. We went out two weeks ago and got it right on at 50 yards. Thanks for all of the info. I decided to just stick with the factory 170 grain corelokts for my bolt this year. (I haven't got set up to reload my 30-30 yet I have been working up loads for my 44 redhawk). They have worked very well for me in the past so I guess if it ain't broke don't fix it. I am going to my buddies land in Minnesota in less than two weeks for my first gun hunt during the rut over there and can't hardly stand waiting. I'll let you guys know how we do. ps What was up with that one post? Where are the super moderators on that one? LOL