Sorry Wolfen but I will have to disagree with you entirely.

Although what you say is true, it is completely unrealistic for virtually every single person in the world. Even the World Series champs may take great pride in a trophy won in a dune buggy race that was held in some obscure part of the country. No, it' s not NASCAR, but it is the best they' ve done in their endeavours.

Don' t try to tell my 5 year old that his T-ball trophy is meaningless. His face shone like the sun when he received it last year; it still sits on his shelf today and I still see him admiring it from time to time.

My greatest, albeit meaningless trophies, were from 1983 when I was top scorer and MVP in my hockey league up in Northern Ontario. Stanley Cup? I think not.

As for deer, the other forum states that if you wouldn' t be proud of what you shot, why did you? Perfectly said.

My very first deer was a small eight pointer (one tine broken off) that measured out around 115. I couldn' t see how big he was when I shot, but I am still proud to this day of my first deer! How lucky am I that I was able to harvest a buck the first time? From what I' ve read, many guys have waited a lot longer than 2 years to see their first buck let alone bag one. Also, this small buck weighed in at 182 lbs field dressed. Not bad, eh?

My second deer was 4 days later. How about that luck? It was an absolutely beautiful 10 pointer that was almost perfectly symmetrical and scored out just less that 130. It was field dressed at 200 lbs even, only 12 lbs heavier than the first.

I am equally proud of both animals. They have provided a great deal of meat for my family' s nutrition and made for a tremendously successful 2002 hunting season.

I am not trying to start a p*ssing contest with you, just thought I' d share my two cents.

Happy Hunting.

Mike