Yeah, I think I am gonna try the Managed Recoil Loads. What grain should I be looking for and will it be deflected when shooting through trees like a 243 would? That's 1 reason why I bought the 270 was because the first year I hunted the creek bottom I missed a really wide and tall racked 8 point that was making a scrape as I was shooting at him, lol. Well to make a long story short, I don't plan on wasting bullets or time with another 243 after that, but my 243 isstill good for "open range" shots. Thanks. Oh, what grain of the MRL should I use and how much does a box of MRL cost? Thanks, Frank.