My bad that simmons was the 4x32, cheapest i found it was 55 plus tax n shipping. I see alot guys use a 3x9x40 would that be better? Looking to spend around 100.00. I have used the staghorn with a 285gr buffalo ballet, 85gr pyrodex and it was excellent! Thanks for the input I also got the 12ga barrel from cva for about 50.00 shipped! Cant wait to try it out next spring for turkeys!