Ok fellas heres what we got its a optima 45 cal, Hornady 200 GR Sabots bullets with 70g of lose powder, i was shooting lead bullets with the waxy wad.. if you know what i mean so i went to the hornaday beacaue of the plastic wad makes a lil titer fit .. witch i though would make a lil more acc. witch it did inprove a lil it is very good at 25-30 yards but it goes a lil sloppy after that i just want to be able to shoot consistant at 50yrds thanks alot for the help guys..