I'll just reiterate what everyone else in here has already said. Its just not needed. I've a CVA Wolf that likes 90 gr. American pioneer with a 245 gr. TC Cheap Shot, a traditions buckmaster that likes 100 gr of pyrodex pellets with a 250 gr XTP and a White mountain carbine that likes 95 gr. pyrodex with a 385gr. buffalo bullet. The first and third load have both dropped big deer and I'm gonna be on the second to do the same. Although I am thinking of going heavier.