I have to agree with Bartman on much of his post. Though I' ve never arrowed a deer that far away, I have never hunted with 4" vanes. When I first started shooting tournament archery (6 months after getting my first bow) I was shooting ICS 400 Field Shafts, screw in 90 grain points, with 1.75" vanes out of a 27.5" draw MQ1 at 64 lbs with a blazing 262 fps.

I went to an IBO CLub and wanted to sign up in the beginner class to compete. There was no beginner class so I signed up in the Huner Class because the targets were closer, but guess what? I couldn' t shoot that class because of my 1.75" vanes. It was shoot for no score or go to the MBR with 6 months of bow shooting experience under my belt and a blistering 262 fps bow speed.

I have gone on to take deer every year since then with those same ICS 400 field shafts using those same Blaze Orange and White 1.75 inch vanes, and have never shot the IBO Hunter Class with my hunting set-up.

In the long run, IBO did me a favor by excluding me from that class, and Bartman knows what I mean. You don' t know how to move shooters up? You tell them, " your average placement is in the top 20% of the class so you' re moving up to MBR!" The only difference in MBR and Hunter is vane length and screw in points. Get rid of that and make it an " experience oriented class" and you will be better off IMHO.