Thanks ALLOT Rob, I am a newbie to deer hunting as well as to this AWESOME web site! I have learned alot from all of u in just the few days Ive been out here. Ive hunted since I was a kid with my dad, small game. I have friends who bow hunt and I thought they were pretty good friends (one stood with me at my wedding) but I geuss they dont want to share their info or take the time to do so. So I am on my own, but with all of u helpfull bow hunters out here Im POSITIVE I will learn to be a great bow hunter! THANKS for the great info!