ha na not roadkill opening day of rifle season in ks he was killed about 100 yards from the buck in my avatar. hunting on a creek bank, he came out with 4 does and started ripping a tree apart. basically thats all she wrote he was only out for about 30 seconds before i shot. then he went back down into the creek bottom where i couldnt see him anymore. so i give him about 15 mins, i knew he was hit hard and started my search, followed blood to the creek and saw about 3 inches of main beam stickin out of water, died in the creek