I ain't got the time to dig it up right now. But he did say "healthier and bigger bucks and more of them". Whether or not he was talking about bigger and healthier 2.5 year old bucks is anybodies guess, but the main focus was moving more 1.5s into the 2.5 class. The more of them part was BS. And from the amount of body fat that I see on bucks that are harvested during rifle season, the healthier part was bogus to IMHO.