It's a whole lot easier to listen to guys like you, Germain and even Sproul when we talk about 2G. You guys are living it. I think we've all seen enough deception from the bird to be suspicious about everything he posts. Personally, I think the root of all the problems lies with the WMU's being far too large. I don't know 2G all that well but get there enough to mnake a few unscientific observations.

A winter drive into Renovo from the south or the west is miles and miles of pole timber with precious little of anything visible thats within the reach of a whitetail deer tells one tale. Then theres the 255 corrider north of 80 that has plenty of deer food telling another. Better individual management of smaller WMU's would make a huge difference IMHO.

In the absence of smaller WMU's, the only alternative we have is personal hunter responsibility. Even in "deer rich" 2B for example, we have pockets that have been stomped to death while some inaccessible private areas are chock full of deer. In one fairly big block of 2B that I hunt, (private but open to all) most of the hunters there have voluntarily adopted a no doe policy for now. Is that the best way? Of course not. But it's beginning to work in our favor.

Some simply choose to sit back and lay blame. Thats never going to work for any of us. If we want smaller WMU's (something I think is almost universally agreed on by hunters and probably many PGC personnell) we have to be prepared to pay a considerably higher price for the more intensive micro management that will be needed. Unfortunately, we cant even get a few dollar increase for the general license. The naysayers say no increase till the deer herd gets fixed. It aint ever getting fixed any better without the resources to do that.