Jim says: "There are a lot of hands in the pot when it comes to deer management and hunters are only one of those hands grabbing for all they can."

And our hands are getting smacked and remain empty, while other interests hands are so full they cannot possible carry any more.

BTB says: "Thats a fair point Steel but the other group that has paid the lions share of the cost of our having a deer herd are the private owners of the property that supports the vast majority of the deer in this state. "

Most pay nothing. Landowners dont all grow crops or own land for the purpose of commercial timber harvesting. And of those that do, most wouldnt have a clue or care about how many seedlings were consumed 100 years ago and its "effect" to the cut they make this year! Many landowners are also HUNTERS who dont support the failed program. Thats why the posting is increasing. Also what you stated would be called human conflict. Many wmus had human conflict listed as low yet were reduced anyway. Not an issue. Besides, Id hardly say "anything" less than the extreme reduction we are experiencing would be ignoring them!!!!

"It also includes the 90% of this state who doesnt hunt when it comes to non PGC owned public land."

I dont recall them being asked, so wouldnt automatically put them on the "antideer" side as pgc supporters as some often like to do. There are so few who actually support this deer debacle that some seemingly would like to add nonexistent "fantom" supporters to their cause.

I also happen to know that even on the small percentage of land that IS PGC OWNED pgc in making decisions still take STRONGLY into account audubon society wishes of wildlife management and land usage as well as dcnr timbering considerations since gamelands management effects neighboring lands etc etc. Both well documented.

On the other hand most of "general society" couldnt care less about deer management. The majority who do want more deer not less. The tiny majority seeking max profit and econuts are dictating things with no room for compromise. Thats a fact.