You don't have to try something to dislike them. I've seen plenty of other people I know use them and see the terrible effects of them. Thats enough to make me never want to try them. Just saw a 175" buck the other day a guy shot almost broad side hit him in the liver area ribes and the arrow deflected and sliced the side of the deer and the exit was about 6 inches from the entrance and layed the bucks guts wide open. They trailed guts the next morning, not blood, to where he died. Not my ideal huntign strategy. I'd rather of hit dead center liver and waited 8 hrs to go find him where he would be dead. Buddy shot a cow elk with on this year. Huge flesh hole but the hole through the ribs you could maybe stick two fingers in it. That right there equals huge KE loss if ya ask me. Hit her through the ribs and had no exit. The list gos on and on from past years no penetration, hit bone, yada yada ya. Don't have to try somethign to knock it. WCL