Originally Posted by
Cornelius08
"Can I ask a question? Why is it the PGC fault?"
Because they are paid MANY millions of dollars each and every year to manage the resource.
"We all have choices. Just because the have the doe tags available doesn't mean we have to shoot them off."
You know that. I know that. Try organizing 900,000 hunters, many of which have no interest in anything other than going out and huntin' or filling the freezer, and dont delve into the "management" aspects. Id say they are most likely the majority.
"As for the Antler Restr. its working alot more older bucks."
In you area maybe. It certainly isnt working here. Dont have more and bigger buck when our herd was cut in half....and it shows. I do support ar, but not the extent of the excessive ridiculous hr.
"I am a bow hunter mostly where the deer move because of the rut."
Same for me, i bowhunt. I dont rifle hunt at all.
"But in rifle hunters have to move them and its not really happening anymore. IMO - Why people aren't moving the deer because of less and less of public hunting land is available to hunt. People are buying or leasing land and are sitting and not driving."
Or you can simply look at the pgc data and see that the herd was significantly cut, and that was the goal. This easily explains why there are so many fewer deer, and no excuses or other explanation is needed. There is MORE public hunting land NOW in Pa than there was 20 years ago not less. MORE gamelands have been bought, farm/game co-op lands etc. People arent driving deer any less or walking any less than previously. Somewhat more are buying land and leasing thanks to pgc making that the only option to have good hunting assured. Though they are still a minority in this state. Only different between now and the year 2000 is several hundred thousand less deer.
in clinton county we are not seeing more bucks but ones we do see are bigger horns.we used to see 3 bucks a drive in good area,now about 1 in good area for about lets say 100 hunters.
most of hunters i see dont seem to care if 1 doe is left in a area.the worst are the out of town hunters or 1 week at camp hunters.sadly some of these hunters already got 1 or 2 doe in another county and are here to get more
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this is not all of above,some dont shoot a doe at camp.biggest liers are ones locally i know that say,SPROUL I DONT KILL A DOE I BOUGHT 3 DOE TAGS BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN SAVING A DOE.yes, there are hunters that buy a doe tag and not use it but MOST fib.they have to FILL FREEZER at all cost.
so,if i stop a gang of doe hunters like i did last year.i said, GUYS WE HAVE 3 DOE LEFT IN THIS AREA COULD YOU PASS ON DOE.1 young kid said, I GO TO HARRISBURG COLLEGE AND I SAW
HERDS OF DOE IN HERE SPROUL.HIS EYEGLASSES WERE AS THICK AS MINE,LOOKED LIKE BOTTOM OF COKE BOTTLE, MINE TOO.his grandfather said, SPROUL HE IS A HECK OF HUNTER.
with this type of FIBBING no way we will ever be able to manage sfl.they did not want to hear the FACTS from me.they said, OUT OF WAY SPROUL,YO HO, YO HO,YO HO