Originally Posted by Cornelius08

"Can I ask a question? Why is it the PGC fault?"

Because they are paid MANY millions of dollars each and every year to manage the resource.

"We all have choices. Just because the have the doe tags available doesn't mean we have to shoot them off."

You know that. I know that. Try organizing 900,000 hunters, many of which have no interest in anything other than going out and huntin' or filling the freezer, and dont delve into the "management" aspects. Id say they are most likely the majority.

"As for the Antler Restr. its working alot more older bucks."

In you area maybe. It certainly isnt working here. Dont have more and bigger buck when our herd was cut in half....and it shows. I do support ar, but not the extent of the excessive ridiculous hr.

"I am a bow hunter mostly where the deer move because of the rut."

Same for me, i bowhunt. I dont rifle hunt at all.

"But in rifle hunters have to move them and its not really happening anymore. IMO - Why people aren't moving the deer because of less and less of public hunting land is available to hunt. People are buying or leasing land and are sitting and not driving."

Or you can simply look at the pgc data and see that the herd was significantly cut, and that was the goal. This easily explains why there are so many fewer deer, and no excuses or other explanation is needed. There is MORE public hunting land NOW in Pa than there was 20 years ago not less. MORE gamelands have been bought, farm/game co-op lands etc. People arent driving deer any less or walking any less than previously. Somewhat more are buying land and leasing thanks to pgc making that the only option to have good hunting assured. Though they are still a minority in this state. Only different between now and the year 2000 is several hundred thousand less deer.